Show #376 Can “Frugal” mean “Abundance”? Jen and Jill from Frugal Friends say YES


About this show:

What is Frugality felt good? What if it was about abundance and positive mental health and a great contribution to wasting less and doing more of what you love? 

Well… that is what Jen and Jill from Frugal Friends Podcast have made it about and I love it so much I’ve recorded a show with them. We discuss:

  • Why the negative connotation of frugality and how to flip the script in your life? 
  • How does one start to think about living frugally in a way that doesn’t conjure 1 jar with a year’s plastic, making everything from scratch wearing a linen dress in the woods and homeschooling your kids if the stereotype doesn’t resonate? 
  • What got you both feeling frugal? Did you grow up that way? A crisis? Awakening?
  • Frugal in the kitchen, walk us through your fave ideas that you love to get people onto when they’re exploring/trying to change
  • Frugality with appliances and fixing things 
  • Frugal living with kids who want ‘all the things like their friends have!’ – how can we make it a potentially positive experience in raising kids? 
  • Frugal success – little by little? Personal priorities? Best ways to make change stick?

And so much more. I hope you love it as much as we enjoyed having this conversation. 


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Jen Smith & Jill Sirianni are co-hosts of the top-rated Frugal Friends Podcast. With almost 400 episodes and 5 million downloads, Frugal Friends is changing the way the world thinks about frugality. Jen uses her background in financial journalism to seek topics that help people overcome impulse spending and reach their financial goals. Jill is a licensed clinical social worker who enjoys exploring the connections between our money behaviors and mental health. Together they’re helping people become better stewards of their money, time, space, and natural resources.

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(0:00) Frugality is often thought of as scarcity or less, but in today’s show, (0:06) we flip the script entirely and call it abundance and opportunity. (0:31) Hello, and welcome to the Low Tox Life podcast. I’m Alex Stewart, your host.

Today is show 376, (0:39) and I am so thrilled to invite Jan and Jill from Frugal Friends podcast onto the show. I was on (0:46) their show recently, which I highly recommend you look up. Quite similar to me, their show is (0:54) approaching 400 episodes.

They’ve had over 5 million downloads. So we are absolutely (1:00) twinning on the podcast front. And on today’s show, we just overlap so often with our values (1:10) that they were instant best friends.

It was a real kismet situation. And I know so many people (1:18) in the low-tox community have explored frugality perhaps out of necessity. Initially, whether it (1:26) might be the interest rate rises, the pandemic times, chronic illness, and the financial (1:33) hardships that come from that, and a number of different factors, often we think about it as (1:39) scrimping and saving and trying to do more with less.

And that can carry a weight with it (1:46) psychologically. And what I love about Jan and Jill is we have two people that have come together (1:53) with a financial journalism background and with a clinical social work background (1:58) to explore money behavior, mental health, and flipping the script on frugality, and actually (2:06) starting with what we love to spend our money on and what we love to do, and then reverse engineering (2:15) to create a way of living that helps us amplify more of that. So I just know you’re going to (2:24) love today’s show.

I truly do. And obviously, before we hook into that, I would love to just (2:32) remind you, we have our wonderful show supporters, Oz Climate, giving you 10% off with the code (2:39) LOTOXLIFE on top of, by the way, as you see in my PSAs, often in Instagram stories, (2:45) any sales that they might have going on. You get that 10% off code LOTOXLIFE on top.

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I’ve got all the details in the show notes and of course, it’s now time for the show. Enjoy. (4:48) Jill and Jen.

Hello. Hi, Alex. Hi.

(4:52) How to spot the podcaster. Tell me you’re a podcaster without saying you’re a podcaster. (5:00) Welcome to your show.

Thank you. I really, no one’s ever welcomed me to my show. (5:06) You should do it more often.

I think so. You know, it’s just that sense of appreciation (5:11) for us all being here. And today we’re talking about frugality.

Let me hear from both of you. (5:17) Start with you, Jill, on what got you on the frugal track? Was it a curiosity or were you like (5:25) born into a hippie family where it was the way of things and you saw everybody else being a (5:30) bit of a disaster? What was this story for you? Yeah, maybe a combination of all of the things. (5:37) I would say frugality for me was instilled at a young age, although it looks different for me now (5:45) than it did when I was younger.

So I would have previously described my frugality as something (5:50) that I participated in out of necessity, kind of bemoaning the fact that I don’t have a lot. (5:58) Therefore I have to be as resourceful as possible and make everything stretch for as long as (6:04) possible because the resources and the means just weren’t there or felt like they weren’t there. And (6:10) I think as I’ve grown in this journey and frugality remains because I do think that it (6:18) is for everybody and can be lifelong, not just a means to an end, I’ve discovered that it’s actually (6:25) a life journey that I love and I’m embracing.

So it began out of what I would call necessity, (6:32) but then has grown into this. I see the benefits of what it means to be resourceful, to (6:38) problem solve, to be able to be really mindful and intentional about my spending, (6:45) and then therefore feel good about it. There’s not shame attached to it for me.

And it’s not (6:50) just about clipping coupons or getting the cheapest thing possible. It’s about identifying (6:56) where are my values and investing there and being really confident about how I use all of my (7:02) resources to get at the things that I want out of life. I love that.

So good. And so true. And (7:10) I love that you use the word resourceful.

I would add creative as well. And then these (7:16) become really positive words, right? Jen, was it different for you or same, same? (7:22) I mean, similar, but in a different way. So I really thought that I was frugal growing up.

I (7:30) picked the medium latte at the coffee shop instead of the large and I bought generic at (7:36) the grocery store, but I wasn’t really paying attention to all of my purchases. So a lot of my (7:42) purchases were just going, like my money was going and my budget said I should have had enough to (7:48) save or pay off my student loans. But at the end of the month, I didn’t.

And I just, and I didn’t (7:53) understand why. Like I, I thought I was frugal. And so it took my husband and I (8:00) paying off a $78,000 of student loans in two years.

And like, right. Like getting, just focusing (8:08) on one thing for two years for me to finally realize that I, I was spending mindlessly. (8:16) I wasn’t spending intentionally and it took a while, but eventually I got to the point where (8:21) it’s, it’s more important to me to spend intentionally than to even be debt-free.

(8:28) And so like, you know, I’ve got a car loan again. So I want to be able to, yes, save for the future (8:36) and enjoy my spending now. I want to do both.

And so we joined forces in Frugal Friends to kind of, (8:43) you know, at first help people, you know, save as much money as possible on things in their lives. (8:48) And it’s kind of transformed into this. We want you to save where you can and spend where you want.

(8:56) Ooh, I love that. Let’s not gloss over that. Save where you can and spend where you want.

(9:03) Beautiful. Yeah. All while saving because saving, we, we, we see it as this thing that’s good for (9:10) in the future, but not all of us have time to worry about the future, right? Some of us don’t (9:15) even have the financial means to worry about the future.

But if you think about it as saving is (9:21) alleviating stress in the here and now, stress for the future, because we all have money anxiety (9:26) thinking about the future. So if you can fall in love with saving now for that simple fact, (9:32) then it can totally change how you see saving. And so, and so that’s kind of what Frugal Friends is now.

(9:41) So good. I love that. And, and then saving as well.

It’s sounds responsible and good, (9:51) but then it’s, it can also have this beautiful environmental connotation. When we talk about food (9:55) waste, you know, we keep seeing everybody demonizing beef, which of course, factory (10:01) farming is a shocker, like let’s just straight up awful. And anyone in my community can eat (10:07) however they feel is right for their body, like all the things you guys know me, but food waste, (10:15) I mean, it would be the fifth, it would be the third largest country in the world behind China (10:20) and America, if it was a country worth of pollution and carbon emissions.

And it just (10:27) blows my mind that that is not a huge part of the, the, the conversation right now in terms of how (10:36) beneficial frugal thinking is for food and just not wasting stuff never as well as the budget side. (10:44) Right. This has become one of my growing number one aversions is food waste.

I cannot stand it (10:52) maybe to an alarming point. Yeah. I know my son had chili con carne on toast for breakfast this (10:59) morning.

Cause I was like, that’s gotta get used up. That’s what breakfast is today. (11:03) Yeah.

But I think when we can recognize the benefit both to ourselves and to our wallets (11:10) and to our environment, there’s just this whole combination of reasons pointing to why this is (11:17) just a really great thing to pursue is low food waste. And for some that could mean eating out (11:25) more. If you just are not the person who’s going to eat the groceries that you bought, you would (11:30) be better off paying someone else to cook for you and constantly wasting food, wasting money (11:37) on what’s in your fridge.

Yeah. Interesting point. And yeah, the carbon emissions as well.

(11:42) And so how does one start to think about living frugally? Like if, if someone feels like they’re (11:48) in a bit of a spiral, they’re listening to our conversation, they’re like, yeah, (11:53) I’m pretty out of control in a number of fronts right now. Um, but then you dip your toe in the (12:00) first couple of accounts you might see on Instagram is that here’s my plastic waste (12:05) from one year. And then you think, oh, okay.

Obviously that’s not me. So obviously I can’t (12:12) go down this frugal road. What do you feel like might be some of the more alluring baby steps (12:19) that can really make someone feel like they’ve got some runs on the board? (12:24) Yeah, we advocate for small steps on everything.

And especially if you’re trying to live a more (12:31) frugal life. And so the first thing is to take stock of, of what you really love spending money (12:38) on. So yes, frugality is seen as this scrimping, depriving, like all these negative connotations, (12:46) because people see frugality as that extreme, that giving up of anything, everything, (12:51) all your waste fits in a small glass jar sort of lifestyle.

And so we really want people to have (12:58) this mindset of, I can love anything. I can love to buy anything, but I’m not going to love to buy (13:04) everything. Right.

So what are those things that I truly value that I truly love like getting and (13:11) spending money on? And the first couple of them are going to be things money can’t buy. So that (13:17) they’re usually all or some of the four F’s, family, friends, faith, and fulfilling work. (13:26) And so these are usually the first things that people want.

They want more time with their (13:31) friends, more time with their family, more, you know, flexibility and pursuing fulfilling work, (13:37) all these things. More feeling like they’re living in their purpose in their life. So (13:43) these are usually the first things, but obviously you need money to, you know, (13:47) to get these things.

So we don’t advocate for living on a low income, very much the opposite. (13:53) We think that you should optimize the time spent at work and make as much for your 40 hours a (14:00) week as you can, obviously not advocating for hustle culture either, but so take stock of (14:06) these things. And then the things that actually do cost money that you just love to buy.

They don’t (14:11) have to have like some deep, super deep, meaningful reason. Like I love to buy coffee out. (14:19) I just do.

I just like it. So I do that pretty frequently, but there are other things I don’t (14:26) value as much that I’ve drawn a line in the sand and said, I don’t do these regularly, if at all. (14:33) So first we decide what we really love and what we’re truly pursuing so that then we can draw that (14:40) line and decide, okay, these are the things on the other side that I will only occasionally, rarely, (14:47) if ever spend on.

And we draw another line and we say, these are things I will not spend on. (14:54) Love that. So good.

And, you know, I think that’d be a great exercise, a question for (15:00) people to ask themselves, like, what are my top three favorite things to buy (15:04) or to do even, because as you mentioned, sometimes they don’t actually have a monetary attachment (15:11) in terms of value to you. And for me, I just thought straight away, buying a plane ticket (15:17) to go see my family overseas. Like that is the number one, most favorite thing I can (15:22) buy.

And then just being somewhere different. And I think that’s what makes it approachable (15:30) for so many is when we’re beginning from this place of what do you love and creating room and (15:36) permission to be able to spend on that rather than starting from a place of deprivation, which (15:40) not just frugality has a negative connotation, but budgeting and a lot of other advice (15:47) surrounding personal finance kind of can lead us to believe, but to fall in love with a journey (15:53) of frugality and managing our resources well, it can start with what excites us most. We don’t (16:00) have to start with the most difficult thing and the deprivation.

We can start with what do you love? (16:08) What do you love? And then that is an invitation for this to be really positive, exciting. Well, (16:14) let’s make more room for that. And this is how we’re going to do it.

(16:17) Because when you decide what you love, especially if it’s something like travel, (16:20) then not only do you start making financial changes to accommodate that, but you start (16:25) making schedule changes to accommodate that. And you start making relationship changes (16:30) to accommodate the things you love. So if there’s these toxic things in your life that maybe (16:43) shouldn’t be there, we start with one simple thing, the money, and it kind of permeates (16:49) and creates health in other areas of your life as well.

(16:54) Yeah, I agree. And in terms of in the kitchen then, because that is just such a huge space (17:02) for saving money. I mean, like we are leaving so much in our fridges to rot, but then I think (17:08) it’s about a fifth.

I looked up America as well. You guys seem to be around the same as us. (17:14) We’re not doing so great either.

Yeah. (17:15) No, no. Yeah.

I mean, it’s awful. And so you mentioned it was a real passion for you, (17:23) Jill. Do you want to talk about some of the things that you do to save that cash and put (17:29) it into something you love? Absolutely.

I think that there is (17:34) no non-waste of food without a plan. So we are going to need to put in some work, but it can (17:42) be around what makes sense for us. So we certainly advocate for meal planning and meal prepping, (17:50) but in a way that is realistic for each individual, not this fantasized, I’d love to do (17:58) 10,000 different veggies, but what do you know? You actually eat, your family actually eats.

(18:04) And it can begin with when we’re doing the meal planning process, going through and taking (18:09) inventory of our pantries and our fridges. What do we already have on hand and what meals can I (18:15) create around those things? So you can already start to kind of do a clean out of what you have (18:22) on hand and then maybe fill in the gaps of what you need to be purchasing. And then from there, (18:28) keep a running list of what are the meals that my family enjoys eating? And those can be the (18:32) things that are on rotation and you can maximize and make your time the most efficient as possible (18:40) when you are finally cooking to make a little bit extra rice, make a few more roasted veggies (18:46) and be able to use those ingredients in different ways throughout the week.

For me and my husband, (18:52) we really don’t care for leftovers, but that’s been a fun way to gamify. I also don’t like food (18:58) waste. So I will take advantage of, you know, maybe three to four of the same ingredients, (19:05) but repurposed in different ways.

Like some of my go-to is to do maybe a stir fry one day or like a (19:12) protein and rice, and then be able to reuse the rice to do a fried rice. Like there’s so many (19:19) different things that we can do that reuses ingredients that we’ve already made, but it’s (19:25) not exactly the same meal. And also taking advantage of the freezer is such a huge one.

(19:31) I can have the best laid plans. If I don’t know what to do with it today, it goes in the freezer. (19:36) And like that buys me three months right there to figure it out.

I can have the best laid plans (19:42) and then it just doesn’t work out the way that I thought it was going to work out. But thankfully, (19:46) nearly everything can go right into the freezer and be used again on a different day, potentially (19:53) a month from now. For me personally, one of the things that has also helped a bunch is having a (20:00) blender.

It is my best way of using up leftover veggies, maybe even produce that’s a little bit on (20:07) its last leg that I don’t really want to just sit here and chew on, but if it’s thrown into a smoothie (20:14) with some other goodies, then I’ll totally drink it. I’m not talking about mold. I’m not eating (20:20) mold, but I think that as we’re on this journey, we can make it work for us.

We can implement and (20:27) incorporate creativity and we can make it fun and kind of gamify it along the way so that we again, (20:34) embrace the process and can really enjoy this journey of helping ourselves, helping the planet, (20:40) helping our wallets. So good. And there’s something I often say and have written in my second book, (20:47) which is more food oriented is think about what you need to use up before you ask yourself, (20:54) what do I fancy? But what you just said kind of made me want to take that a step further because (21:02) you talked about how you don’t really care for leftovers is true.

It doesn’t really jazz people (21:07) much often. But if we think about what we need to use up first. (21:16) And then we think about what we fancy and we then try and find something where it’s like, (21:22) OK, I’ve got a ton of like, say, bolognese and veggie mince kind of sauce in the fridge.

(21:29) And it was like a bolognese last night. And I really don’t feel like that again tonight. (21:33) But if I added a packet of taco mix spice to that, we could turn that into tacos.

And I (21:39) definitely feel like Mexican, you know, so that could be extended to, to make the leftovers vibe (21:47) a little more exciting. It doesn’t have to be sit here and eat the same thing. Yeah.

(21:53) Yeah. I think giving ourselves room for that creativity is so important. I think especially (21:57) when it comes to cooking, there can be a lot of barrier to entry or a lot of people who feel as (22:02) they need to follow recipes to a T. And if I don’t, it’s going to be awful and no one’s ever (22:09) going to want to eat it.

And I think as we go, we can build and grow our confidence and try new (22:15) things and use substitutes, omit ingredients and see what happens. And I think in that can help us (22:25) with our creativity and how can I use up these ingredients in a way that isn’t just that my (22:30) typical go-to and the internet is phenomenal for that kind of a thing. There are lots of people (22:37) out there ready and willing to help you on how can I use fennel in a different way than how I’ve been (22:43) using it? Fill in the blank.

What can I do with leftover XYZ? Too many peppers. Oh my, what’s, (22:50) what to happen next? You could probably search that. Yeah.

That very phrase. I did cause I (22:55) searched it yesterday. Too many peppers.

You searched too many peppers, (23:00) capsicum for us here in Australia. What came up? What did you do with them? (23:04) There were all sorts of options from making salsa verde to stuffed poblanos. Honestly, (23:12) I was running out of time before they were just not going to be good anymore.

So I just (23:16) sliced them up and threw them in the freezer, but now they’re ready. As I was doing that and (23:22) seeing it come into this final shape of being diced, I was realizing this would go really (23:28) nice in a quiche. So now I’ve got my idea.

It’s in the freezer. It’s ready for me. (23:33) If I ever want to make a stir fry or a quiche, it’s there and prepped.

Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant.

(23:39) We had, um, uh, ham from mom and dad at Christmas. I don’t know if you, do you guys do like a big (23:47) ham at Christmas? I don’t think, is it an Australian thing? I’m not sure. A lot of (23:52) and so, but then one of my husband’s friends decided he wanted to give all of his best (23:57) mates a ham for Christmas.

So we ended up with, and it wasn’t just one of the half leg. It was (24:03) this enormous thing that got delivered. And I was like, um, okay.

You do ham, but not that much. (24:12) How much ham can you do? Well, if you ask anyone on like January 2nd, they say I’m never eating (24:19) ham again. Um, but, um, yeah, so we ended up dicing it and putting it into, you mentioned (24:26) quiche.

So we put it into like little, um, parcels of kitchen paper and then like sectioned it off. (24:34) And it’s, we’ve still got a couple in our freezer and it was just sort of that enough to (24:39) chuck into three omelets over three mornings. Um, you know, and we can use that batch and then (24:45) there’s the quiche and then there’s the, all the different things that you can do with it, (24:48) chuck it into a stir fry, um, not stir fry.

What do you call it? Fried rice. So it was, (24:54) it’s been fantastic because we literally always just have that easy protein on hand to just slip (25:00) into everything. And I think we often think I’ve just got to get it through as much of it as (25:05) possible before it goes bad.

And then it goes bad. Yeah. People are scared to freeze a lot of things (25:11) and they do.

There is freezer fear, isn’t there? Yes. Yeah. But Jill will tell you everything can (25:20) go in the freezer.

99.9% of things. And do we have to worry about things like cheese? Really? (25:28) Oh yeah. I love throwing my cheese in there.

Because sometimes like if you’ve had friends over (25:34) and then like, it’s one of those runny breeze, could you even just put that in the freezer and (25:39) then just melt it into a quiche later? I guess you could. Oh, I would. Yeah.

I’m not saying like (25:45) the internet’s going to tell you to, but I’ll tell you to. I particularly like it for my shredded (25:49) cheeses. I’m a big fan of quesadillas or I use feta a lot or Parmesan when I make my homemade (25:59) Caesar salad dressing.

So those particularly shredded cheeses just do really well. And I (26:05) don’t even have to defrost it. I can just pull out the amount that I need for whatever I’m making.

(26:10) And it just lasts and lasts. Awesome. And can we talk about freezing things like, uh, (26:16) different types of veggies and legumes? Yes.

Yes. I mean, yes, I exclusively eat veggies from the (26:29) freezer. So I will usually cook my veggies when I eat them, even in a salad.

So instead of just (26:37) buying fresh, I buy frozen and it’s, it’s picked at peak, uh, freshness and immediately frozen. (26:46) So it retains more of its nutrients. And then I get these like beautiful, you know, beautiful (26:53) vegetables that I can roast and I put on anything and I never have to worry about when I’m using (27:00) them, uh, or worry about them going bad because they just live in the freezer.

So I truly, I, and (27:08) honestly, I will put frozen, uh, broccoli right onto a sheet pan, throw it in the oven. And it’s like, (27:17) it’s like, it never saw the freezer. It’s just as good as fresh.

Uh, and, and I love it. And I don’t (27:25) have to chop it either. I don’t have to prep it because it’s already pre-chopped.

I’m a huge (27:29) advocate for buying things like pre-prepared because I have two young children. We’re going (27:36) through a home renovation. I am so busy.

So if the barrier to entry for cooking at home (27:44) is having to make extra dishes by chopping things, then I’m going to buy takeout. And so I buy the (27:52) pre-prepared, especially frozen stuff that’s already chopped that I can just pour out and ready (27:57) to go. And I save money, even though I spend a smidge more at the grocery store, uh, you know, (28:04) by buying it pre-chopped.

I’m saving overall because I am, I’m more likely to choose eating at home, (28:10) uh, and I will waste less food because sometimes the person who meal plans on Sunday is not the (28:18) same person who is cooking on Thursday, even though they are both me, they are not the same person. (28:25) So I prepare for Thursday, Jen, um, by Sunday, Jen, who is full of hopes and dreams, (28:33) knowing that Thursday, Jen will not be the same person. Thursday, Jen is tired.

(28:38) Monday, Jen is tired. Uh, so yeah, I, I just prepare for that in advance. (28:44) And how old are your kids? Uh, one and five.

(28:48) Yeah. That is busy. Wow.

And I love what you said there about the barrier to entry, (28:55) because I think, I don’t know why it comes with the job of being a woman or a mom as well. I feel (29:02) like it’s compounded this idea that it all has to be done a certain way and different people on (29:09) the internet have taught us. And often it’s people whose jobs it is to cook that are doing the (29:15) teaching.

And that is not lost on me as an irony of why we all feel like failures as a result. (29:21) And so I think it is so important, like as much fresh, natural, and by fresh, I include frozen (29:30) natural, like single ingredient food as possible in our overall food mix. And then how are you (29:36) going to get that across the line? Don’t feel guilty about the rest.

So good. And Jill, (29:46) are you a fan of doing anything fancy with veggies, legumes in the freezer? Do you, (29:51) can we freeze things? Like I always find if I freeze zucchini or broccoli before I’ve blanched (29:57) it, it gets watery on the defrost. And then I think, but I don’t want to blanch it.

I usually (30:04) end up then just making a soup, which is just like cook, cook, cook and blend. And then that (30:09) gets put in the freezer. That’s the thing.

I think if you plan to use the vegetables, (30:15) if you want to put the vegetables in the freezer raw, and you know that you will most likely use (30:20) them in some sort of stew, soup, casserole, bake, you’ll probably be fine. You might want to (30:29) plan for more water than like you’re saying, even in the baking process. So that might mean (30:35) adjusting your starches to allow for the fact that there might be a little bit more water in (30:40) the veggie, but I, you can more easily get away with putting the veggies in raw when they don’t (30:49) already have a lot of moisture in them.

So that’s, it works well with broccolis and (30:56) cauliflowers and the peppers will be fine again, cause I’m going to throw them into a quiche, but (31:01) you know, it’s not something you’re going to want to do with spinach or other leafy greens (31:09) that they’re just going to will, it would be better to blanch them or saute them or throw it on it. (31:16) Not the leafy greens, but other root vegetables, that kind of a thing on a roasting pan and roast (31:23) it and then put it in the freezer. So sometimes it’s going to take a little bit of that extra (31:29) step, but usually less time than to cook a full meal.

So if you see that your things are starting (31:35) to wilt and go, and you’re not going to have time to cook a full meal, can you at least carve out a (31:40) few minutes to prep the veggie to go into the freezer? Or just throw it in the freezer and then (31:48) have an experiment. I feel like we could tie that into, like if they are better cooked before they (31:56) go into the freezer. And again, I’m leaving out the leafy greens, poor leafy greens.

They’re just (32:01) getting tossed to the side here, but like the root veggies, zucchini, capsicum, peppers, carrots, (32:08) all that kind of stuff. Broccoli. If we were roasting a tray of mixed veggies to have with (32:18) some chicken that night, like could we roast all the veggies we have if the next couple of days (32:25) are going to be busy and then just freeze anything we’re not going to use.

So then it doesn’t really (32:29) take much extra time at all. Well, that’s what I was going to say. If I’m cooking a meal and I see (32:34) something that needs to be frozen or needs to be cooked, then I’ll just put it on a small little (32:41) tray and throw it in with the dinner.

I always try to do something, if there’s any room left (32:50) while I’m already making dishes, is there something else I can do that my later self, (32:57) my future self will thank me for? So like, what’s one thing I can do for dinner to make (33:02) the next dinner or a dinner in the future a little easier? That’s always helped me. So even (33:10) maybe a 30-minute dinner, I cut it down to 10 or 15 prep time. It’s always stuff like that.

(33:21) While I’m waiting for this thing to cook, what’s one thing I can be doing since I’m already standing (33:25) here? I already have the knife out. I already have the cutting board out. What’s one thing I can do (33:29) to prep something so that I can use it in the future? So I’m more likely to eat the food I (33:35) have at home and I’m less likely to create waste.

And that’s tied to having a meal plan. (33:41) So having thought ahead about what can you eat for that entire week? Because I hear what Jen’s (33:46) saying and sometimes my mind can go to, yeah, but I just got over the hurdle of what am I going to (33:52) eat tonight? And now I got to think about what am I going to eat tomorrow and what should I do now (33:56) to eat that tomorrow? But if we have a plan in place that’s realistic, then we can absolutely (34:01) know what’s one thing I could do now that plays into something later on in the week. (34:06) And a note on that, something we’ve loved to do is create a template for a meal plan because that (34:12) also can feel really daunting.

So we’ll change it up. But for instance, we might do a meal plan (34:19) for an entire month where every Monday is meatless Mondays. Tuesday is taco Tuesday.

(34:25) Wednesday is no cook because we’re tired. Thursday is a handheld. Friday is something that you pull (34:32) from the freezer because a previous self had put something in the freezer for you.

Saturday, (34:38) you might plan to get together and have a potluck with friends and so on and so forth. I will then (34:43) sometimes add an additional layer to that template to define themes for the week. So maybe (34:50) one week is Mexican inspired.

Another week is Asian inspired. Another week is American inspired. (34:58) So I’m still doing different types of meatless Mondays, taco Tuesdays, no cook Wednesdays, (35:04) but it’s within a similar family of ingredients across the week so that I know that I’m going to (35:11) use up the things that I purchase and things are not going to go to waste.

Weird spices or (35:17) condiments will get used up because it’s still in the same theme even though we’re eating different (35:22) things every day. So when we can find ourselves a template, just do a little bit of Googling (35:27) and fill that in. It can really help us to then know what more can I do in the kitchen? What is (35:33) just five minutes extra that’s going to help me for the rest of the week? Yeah.

And I think key (35:38) there is that five minutes extra is a big save somewhere else. Like I always say, if you can cook (35:46) double, do, because then the double goes in the freezer and you’ve got it for that crazy day. And (35:52) then you’re not also not washing two chopping boards or two knives or two saucepans.

I mean, (36:01) the benefits are endless. It’s just a mindset shift. Yes.

And I love the template also for our (36:08) creatives who hate plans, feel kind of maybe more restricted by plans, right? So if you have a (36:15) template, it feels less restrictive than like a set meal plan. And if you can just look anytime (36:23) you get the opportunity to look in your fridge and say like, what can I do right now that will (36:29) prevent food waste later? Then you already have an easy decision for the next day because when (36:35) you kind of batch the tasks, right? Like if I’m thinking about what I’m making tonight, (36:40) let me also think about what I’m going to make tomorrow based on what I have here. (36:45) So it makes tomorrow’s decision is already made because you made it today.

And so that’s kind of, (36:50) we do want you to work up to a meal plan because the meal plan doesn’t have to be restrictive, (36:55) but we can start with kind of this mindset of, you know, let me make tomorrow’s decision at the (37:03) same time I’m making today’s and then work up to that template and move forward. You don’t have to (37:08) work against your natural tendencies to save money and reduce waste. 100%.

And I found like (37:16) my happy medium because I was like, why am I failing at meal plans for years? I was like, (37:21) I write one. I write them for other people. Why can’t I stick to one myself? But now what I do (37:27) is things like I just write ingredients.

So chicken, sweet potato, zucchini, beef mince, (37:34) that will, that will be my meal plan. Right. And so that I still have a ton of creativity on the (37:40) day based on what I feel like doing in terms of which direction I take that.

Now the caveat there (37:47) is you need the skills. You need a cooking vocab to actually be able to plan that way. But if you (37:56) are a good cook, it will be probably the flexibility you’re looking for when you sometimes think, well, (38:04) you know, I’m not going to eat that.

Like why, why did I even predict that I was going to feel (38:08) like that exact dish four days ago? Cause I don’t. Yeah. And if you’re, if you’re creative, that’s in (38:15) your power to like work with the natural skills you have of creativity and do stuff like that.

(38:22) Like for me, I’m, I’m a planner. I follow recipes to a T and I don’t have an imagination (38:28) in the kitchen. So that would be scary and I just do it the other way.

Yeah, see that’d be scary (38:34) and overwhelming for you. So I think we need to recognize who we are. I love that you said, (38:39) just think about your natural skills because one man’s overwhelm is another man’s excitement and, (38:45) and that’s okay.

And that’s why one protocol never works for everybody. (38:52) Love it. Now, frugality around kids.

I want to ask you about this because a lot of parents (39:01) struggle with those, but everybody at school has it. And, you know, and like, where do we draw those (39:07) lines between social inclusion and mindfulness around spending? Cause most people, if you did (39:15) just get them everything, a, you end up with a little shithole, but who thinks that they deserve (39:25) everything. So that’s not great.

Pardon the language there, but B you end up with not much (39:33) money to do those things you love that you talked about. So how do we deal with that? (39:38) Creating a positive frugality in our kids. That is something I think about all the time.

Cause my (39:45) five-year-old is just getting to that point where he’s starting to think about social acceptance. (39:52) Isn’t that’s crazy at five years old. And so wanting to like make sure that I set him up for (40:00) that.

Like I’m not ruining his chances for social acceptance, but also I think it’s instilling in (40:07) our kids the why behind what we’re doing and really playing into their skills and desires (40:15) and passions to, to reiterate why we’re doing it. You know, we’re not just doing it to save money. (40:22) We’re not just doing it so we can afford a family vacation over the summer.

Like that stuff doesn’t (40:27) really speak to them. But it’s finding out like what they truly love and saying like, we are not (40:36) going to get this because we want to be able to afford this summer camp for you. And then also (40:42) having them make a lot of their own financial decisions younger than you think that they may (40:48) be able to make them and letting them make wrong decisions too.

Right. And letting them be wrong, (40:53) regret decisions so that they make small regrets and small mistakes now. So they’re not making (41:02) big ones later.

So the earlier we let kids, you know, make mistakes and sit in those consequences, (41:08) the smaller and safer they will be. So, and then also sometimes it’s choosing your battles. (41:14) Like sometimes I can’t afford to have a meltdown like in the grocery store.

And I like, I just have (41:21) to give in for my own sanity. But I make sure I am, you know, being wise enough, like enough times (41:29) that I can be a little selfish in other times. So it’s not being perfect.

It’s not being, (41:36) you know, doing the right thing all the time. But I think it’s really getting to the heart, (41:42) like making them want to save money and just for the sake of saving isn’t going to work for them. (41:49) There has to be other reasons outside of things that they’ll want to value it.

(41:59) Nice. Do you have anything to add, Jill, on that front? (42:03) I am not a parent. That’s totally fine.

But I’m sure there’s a lot of people in your community (42:09) as well. And thinking back to being a kid yourself, like you grew up thinking, oh my gosh, (42:16) I don’t get to have all the things. And this comes up for a lot of people.

(42:23) How did, how do you feel that that actually benefited you maybe? Were there positives to that? (42:29) Well, yeah. And I can speak too. So I don’t have children, but I can lean into my mental (42:34) health background and understanding of child development and just that we’re all humans.

(42:40) We’re our own people. I think sometimes we can look at kids like they are the property of the (42:48) parents and certainly the parents are responsible for them, but they are budding individuals. (42:55) And I think this whole conversation intersects with any relationship that we might have.

It (43:02) has its nuances. It’s certainly different. You are training up a child and teaching them (43:07) things that they don’t already know.

But I do think it can come back to like what Jen is saying, (43:13) learning what they value because we are also on that journey ourselves. What do I love? What do (43:20) I want to spend money on? It can’t be all of the things, but it’s not as if it’s none of the things (43:26) either. And so when we hit these places of identifying where should we put our resources (43:32) and how should we spend as a family with a spouse or partner with kids, I think there can (43:38) be room for conversation for everybody at the table to be able to say, I value this.

And it (43:45) might not be the same as mine. What your kids value may not be the same as what you value, (43:50) but can there still be room to honor one another in that, even if you don’t understand it, (43:56) even if it’s not the same as yours. So that doesn’t mean giving kids all of the things, (44:02) but really helping them be able to identify and understand themselves of what are the top few (44:09) things that you really do value, even if they’re not the same as me, even if I don’t really (44:14) understand it.

And I don’t think that that’s the greatest thing for you to spend your money on. (44:18) Most of the time I do not understand it. (44:20) If there is room for it, if there can be an allocation of some of these resources to (44:26) honor the values of the other people in your family, then there’s going to be buy-in from (44:32) everyone on this journey of values-based spending of frugality.

Such good advice and such nice (44:40) reflection to do there as well about, you know, really listening to your kid. Like, (44:45) they totally lighting up and excited. You don’t want to just bottle that excitement for that (44:50) thing.

You want to say, tell me more like, and then what does it do? Like let them go absolutely (44:56) wild with their enthusiasm and then tell them maybe no, just kidding. Just kidding. (45:07) Sometimes they get excited about things we truly can’t afford.

Like my son loves new cars, (45:13) specifically new cars. And he’s like, we should get a new car. And I was like, (45:17) no.

Well, yeah, my son wanted a PS5 for Christmas and a PlayStation. And that is probably a normal (45:26) thing for a 14 year old to ask for, for Christmas. But that wasn’t something that we could do (45:31) at that.

And he, and I said, sweetheart, I’ve actually already got you a Christmas present. (45:36) I think you’re going to really love it. And it was the volleyball shoes he was desperate for.

(45:41) Um, so that he was very excited, uh, and a new tennis outfit. Um, but I couldn’t then go and (45:49) spend like a, certainly not on a full price one, but then we talked about the benefits of refurbished (45:55) options, uh, the ones where they’re still buying from retailers, super, super, um, well checked, (46:01) well refurbished. They would take it back if it doesn’t work kind of secondhand.

And, uh, why don’t (46:09) we put a savings plan up together and see what kind of jobs you’re doing at the moment and the (46:14) job you’re doing at the tennis camp, the week weekends, and how quickly could you get there? (46:18) And it actually turned into like a, a really exciting delayed gratification exercise, uh, (46:25) which I think is like, um, a missing piece in this conversation. There’s, there’s the yes, (46:30) you can know you can’t, but then there’s the, how can I help you get there? Um, because it’s not (46:35) going to come from me. And that’s really an amazing part of growing up where you start to learn.

(46:42) No, no, go for it. And are there alternatives to what it is that you love? I think we all do well (46:48) with parameters, unlimited and limitless. We kind of flounder, but if given not super restrictive, (46:57) but degrees of parameters, kind of these boundary lines that we can operate within (47:02) are creativity sores.

And so same thing with kids, they operate well within a certain set (47:10) of boundaries and parameters. And especially when it comes to spending this, okay, here’s what you’re (47:16) interested in this one toy, but what is it about that toy? And some of this, they may not even be (47:21) able to communicate, but you can observe them engaging in it. And are there ways that we can (47:27) meet this need, satisfy this value in a way that doesn’t aid to over-consumption? We’re not just (47:35) filling our homes with useless plastic that is going to devalue immediately and is just going (47:41) to get thrown away in the next year.

But are there things that we can do that kind of recreate this (47:46) experience using what we already have or something that’s used or taking advantage of resources like (47:52) the library for even the video games that they may want to play in a really kind of boundary way. (48:00) It’s not limitless availability, but limited. And again, I think we can take comfort in the fact that (48:07) we do best with that.

It’s not as if you gave your child the entire world that they would do better. (48:13) Actually, no. We do well with parameters and definition.

Yeah. And letting them in behind (48:21) the scenes more than you think they’re ready for it. Obviously not your entire financial picture, (48:27) but I think it’s been told to us somewhere along the lines that you can protect your children by (48:34) not telling them anything about your money.

And we’ve seen that that backfires. So letting them (48:39) know like, this is the percent we spend on this. This is the percent we spend on this.

This is (48:44) the percent that’s left over for whatever we want. How do you think we should spend it? (48:52) What should we save for a vacation? What should we save for Christmas gifts? And then say, (48:57) what should we spend? What percentage do you think you should have as an allowance or something? (49:02) And so then they can see what that amount is. It’s typically going to be smaller than they thought (49:08) it would be as a percentage, but then they understand where it is on a percentage of the (49:13) whole.

And then saying like, okay, so this is kind of our limit for what we can get. Anything (49:20) above this, you’re going to have to spend your own money on. So let’s look at prices for PS5s (49:28) and let’s compare them to prices for used consoles and refurbished consoles.

And let’s think about (49:34) the extra expenses. And so just letting them in on the whole process, we really deprive our kids (49:41) when we just, even if we do want to gift them something, if we don’t also let them behind the (49:48) scenes of the process, you can give your kids good gifts and also let them in behind the scenes (49:56) without being like, look at how hard I worked for you. And I had to make, I had to spend all this (50:00) money.

And that’s kind of the end result. That’s not the process. But we’re looking at the budget (50:07) as a whole.

So, so kids can get an idea of like, okay, this is what I can expect when I’m older. (50:14) And, but they’ll say, but I’m going to make a hundred thousand more dollars than you. (50:18) That’s what they’re going to think.

Yeah. But also to think like that, then they then know (50:26) that they can’t just keep asking for things. I think that’s actually a really important thing (50:30) for them to learn.

A couple of months ago, Seb said to me, you know, mom, I really need a monitor (50:38) to go with my school laptop because I just want to be able to see everything bigger on the screen. (50:42) Now that’s actually a really valid reason to want a monitor. And then I saw him online, like looking (50:50) at monitors.

I’m like, so we, we haven’t budgeted for this. And the things that you’re looking at (50:56) are like four, five, $600. Where’s that going to come from? Like, are you thinking of saving up for (51:02) a monitor? He’s like, no, I thought you’d buy it.

I’m like, well, uh, maybe in seven months when I (51:07) can put it in the budget, but not now. And so I said, you know, people are always getting rid (51:13) of things. Let’s just keep an eye out.

And then sure enough, guy down the road, moving overseas, (51:18) selling his perfectly excellent monitor for 20 bucks, popped down, gave him $20 cash. I was (51:25) very happy to spend that and boom. And, and I think kids like by having that conversation, (51:31) no, it’s not going to happen now.

It can happen if we plan for a few months down the track, (51:36) but let’s now keep an eye on what it could look like to find a good deal on one. (51:41) Um, because our kids see Instagram and like, now they’re even terrified of having an increase in (51:47) their fricking sneakers. Like we are getting to this bizarre over-consumption perfect, (51:54) like such like the rapid fashion micro trends, I think is doing it where there’s a new sneaker (51:59) every two months.

And, and so then all the influencers are wearing them now. Thankfully, (52:04) he’s not into all of that, but I am definitely seeing. There’s very few kids around wearing (52:12) the Reeboks that were kind of falling apart that I grew up with in the eighties, but you were like, (52:17) please did God get me a new pair of kicks.

Like it was just so desperate by the time you got a (52:24) new pair and it’s not like that anymore. So it’s, it’s like, we’re trying to slow a freight train (52:30) down as older generations for these younger, more influenced consumer generations. (52:38) Oh, that’s such a good way to put it.

And you’re not going to stop a freight train all at once. (52:42) You have to conserve your energy and push back when you can and, and conserve your strength (52:51) where you can’t. Love it.

And then my last question around frugality is appliances, (52:57) like big things. Because sometimes it’s just so hard to find repair resources. And I know (53:07) some countries are doing pretty well in this Northern Europe seems to be bringing in a lot (53:12) more repair rights and even incentivizing.

I think Sweden it was, was incentivizing clothing (53:17) repair recently. And they brought in like, you know, everyone can claim a voucher from the (53:23) government to get their things. I mean like, Oh, Sweden, sweet, sweet, sweet, good for them.

(53:32) But like when it comes to a dryer breaking, like it seems like there’s for us, there’s this one, (53:39) and he is very advanced in age now guy, four suburbs away who has his little repair shop. (53:48) Like it looks like such an antiquated style of business. And yet we should have one in every (53:54) suburb.

These things are huge and they end up in landfill and they cost a lot to replace. (54:00) Feels very unfrugal to not repair such big things. Have you got any tips for people? (54:05) Unfortunately, when the costs of labor and repair and parts are nearly as expensive as getting the (54:13) thing itself, it really is kind of working backwards and not for us, but I am with you.

(54:20) We love to first see if we maintain fix and repair by used or pre-owned by discount. And the very (54:32) last resort would be buying new. And so first of all, with the things that we have, we can increase (54:40) the longevity of our things so much if we maintain them.

And again, speaking of the resource that the (54:49) internet is, there is so much on how to maintain a refrigerator, a dishwasher, a washing machine, (54:57) a dryer, whatever it is that you have in your home, your own heating and cooling system, (55:03) how to’s on the specific models that you have. So we recommend creating a system where you are (55:12) maintaining your appliances at the rate to which it’s recommended. So if it’s every three months, (55:17) you need to do a big clean out of your dryer vent, then making sure that there’s alarms in your (55:22) phone to be able to do those things, because it’s a little bit of a nuisance in the moment.

(55:27) But over the longterm, it’s going to save us thousands of dollars. So doing those simple (55:32) maintenance things that do not require you to be a construction contract worker at all. These are (55:39) things that we can all do as people who utilize these appliances.

And then from there, yeah, (55:45) looking into whatever warranties might have come with the product or that you may have purchased (55:50) at the time and utilizing repair services, getting estimates and quotes on what is it going to cost (55:56) you if it is a larger repair. And if the item does need to be replaced, I know every place is (56:02) different, but any place I have ever lived, we have had within a 30 minute radius, some sort of (56:08) scratch and dent offering a place where you can go and find these appliances that you’re looking (56:14) for that might be a little bit beat up, but still functional at a fraction of the cost. (56:19) Alongside just using places like Facebook marketplace and other platforms where people (56:24) can sell their used items that we can then purchase again at a fraction of the cost.

(56:31) These are all the things that we would recommend with because the appliances are a heavy hitter (56:35) when they come to the cost of running them, the cost of replacing them. So however much (56:40) life we can get out of our appliances, the better. Yeah.

And I’ll add to that YouTube. (56:45) We’ve had a lot of listeners tell us that they’ve gotten a quote from somebody on a repair (56:51) and it’s been expensive and they’ve just searched the repair on YouTube and it has (56:55) been easy enough for them to just go out and buy the part and do it themselves. (57:00) And so obviously that’s not going to be for every repair, but if you know the thing (57:03) that does need to be repaired, you don’t have to troubleshoot it.

And it’s something (57:09) that the YouTuber is saying is pretty easy. Then we’ve had a lot of listeners tell us that (57:18) they saved so much money by just watching the YouTube video and switching out the part (57:24) themselves. And I recently found this guy on Instagram, it’s got weekly home maintenance (57:30) or something where he sends an email out once a week with one home maintenance thing to do (57:35) every week.

This week I think was clean out your fridge and including the coils behind the fridge (57:41) because hair and dust gets stuck in there and it impedes the function, (57:46) costs more on energy and all that stuff. So yeah, having something like that, (57:52) it not just saves you money on having your appliances longer, but it can even save on (58:00) energy costs. That is such a great tip.

And I totally agree with the YouTube thing. (58:07) There is always a friendly person on YouTube taking you through it just for everything. (58:14) I remember the last time I had a printer, which I haven’t had one for years, but when I did (58:20) the printer cartridge just honestly felt like you needed an engineering degree (58:24) to replace.

Like I could not believe how complicated they made something that (58:29) should be quite simple. I don’t know. I thought, Oh my gosh, this is literally driving me insane.

(58:37) I wonder, and I Googled, you know, the model and then replacing printer cartridge. (58:42) There was a sweet lady who was saying, now these can be a bit tricky to replace. So let me take (58:48) you through it.

And she was so kind. And I was like, thank you, Betty. YouTube is a treasure.

(58:56) I love Betty. So, Oh my gosh, we could talk frugality for ages and there are so many different (59:03) aspects of life, but I’m going to encourage everybody to connect with your wonderful and (59:08) generous account on Insta and the links in the show notes that we have for you to find (59:15) Jen and Jill and their brilliant work at Frugal Friends. Thank you both of you so much.

(59:21) Can I ask each of you to share a, here’s one thing I would love you to consider this week, (59:28) moving forward, something both of you are passionate about individually. Jen, you kick us off. (59:34) I would encourage people to maybe pull up your last 90 days of transactions.

You could do that (59:41) just in your bank statement and go through and maybe digitally or on paper, highlight the ones (59:48) that you really loved, the ones that you remember you spent on them and they really did get you the (59:54) thing that you wanted. And then compare that to all the things that didn’t and start to think, (1:00:02) start to start thinking about the difference between what you love and what you don’t love. (1:00:07) Just start thinking about it.

Love that. Jill, yours? (1:00:13) And I will stick on the theme of pondering because I do think that this journey begins (1:00:19) with our thoughts and our mindset. So to be considering your own money story, (1:00:27) what is your understanding starting from childhood to now? What have been your experiences with money? (1:00:33) How do you feel about money? How do you feel about your spending? It can be some helpful questions (1:00:37) to coincide with the activity that Jen just described to really help us understand ourselves (1:00:43) because that is the foundation from which we can build a life that we feel really good about.

(1:00:50) Love it. Thank you both so much for joining me. (1:00:54) Thanks for having us.

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