Show #87: Dr Carrie Jones on going Dutch on your hormones

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A treat from this month’s show supporter…REPUBLICA ORGANIC

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Now onto the show…

Ever been told, after getting a hormone test back – whether it was testosterone, oestrogen, thyroid hormones, cortisol or anything else, that everything’s ‘normal’ and ‘you’re fine?’ – yet you feel totally NOT FINE? In this week’s show I chat to the wonderful Dr Carrie Jones who makes the trickiest of hormone challenges (male or female) feel like a fun puzzle to get to the bottom of – and I’m serious. Imagine turning the talk of hormone woes on its head and making it instead an interesting fun thing to figure out – it was this attitude of Carrie’s from following her instagram feed and the generous sharing she does there, that said: I have to have her on the show and shake up the hormone conversation, that’s always such a Debbie downer!

Carrie is a Naturopathic Physician with a Master’s in Public Health having over 12 years in the field of functional and integrative medicine. As Adjunct Faculty for the National University of Natural Medicine (NUNM), she has taught courses in both Gynaecology and Advanced Endocrinology. She has been the Medical Director for two large integrative clinics in Portland, Oregon and is currently the Medical Director for Precision Analytical, Inc, creators of the most cutting edge hormone test on the market, the DUTCH Test. So, come and listen while Carrie and I discuss the ins and outs of testing, what our results can tell us, how she doesn’t believe in Adrenal Fatigue (yes, you heard me right there!) and what it means when your cortisone and cortisol are off kilter. It’s such a great chat, and I can’t wait to hear what you guys think. I love what the Dutch test can offer us, so I was super thrilled to have Carrie join me for a general in-depth hormone chat as well as a deeper look into the capability of the Dutch test.


Here’s a little snapshot of the juicy bits in today’s episode…

  • The Dutch test is a urine test that provides a comprehensive picture of the state of adrenals and sex hormones. It is a helpful test when recurrent blood tests are showing no conclusive evidence of a hormonal imbalance but symptoms persist. Whether it is a struggle with recurrent migraines, infertility, persistent acne, peri-menopausal concerns, there is so much that can be revealed through this test when nothing else seems to help.
  • Cortisol is what helps us handle stress, handle inflammation, helps our immune system and our blood sugar levels, but when we get too much of it, the body can de-activate it and turn into cortisone. If you get a test that shows low levels of cortisol, it may not necessarily mean you don’t make it, it might just mean you turn it all into cortisone. This process can be triggered by an acute illness or long-term stress. The Dutch test shows exactly how much of the cortisol gets turned into cortisone. As fatigue is the usually the biggest symptom in that case, people often get mis-diagnosed with chronic fatigue.
  • Oestrogen is what helps your memory, contributes to bones health, helps with collagen production and more. Low oestrogen is a trigger for weight gain in many cases. The body needs oestrogen. When we have too much of it, oestrogen detoxification is an option: eating vegetables from the brassica family (broccoli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, etc.), choosing the right supplements and getting rid of environmental toxins that impact our oestrogen levels can help but we need to pay close attention not to overdo it as we can quickly become deficient.
  • Dr Carrie Jones believes adrenal fatigue is a myth. The fatigue symptom is real, but it’s the brain that ‘s the conductor. The adrenals don’t make decisions, they do what they’re told and when they shut down, they were told to by the brain.  Stress and anxiety are the main culprits. Finding ways to manage our stress response is essential: happy thoughts on a post-it note, a gratitude journal and generally becoming aware of what are stress triggers are and choosing to respond differently. Vitamin B, and C are great supplements to help support adrenals as well as herbs such as Tulsi and Ashwaganda.
  • In order to have the healthiest hormones, pat a dog! Patting a friendly animal gets your oxytocin up and that works wonders for your hormones. Also get off your phone before bed, in order to help with your melatonin production and support your sleep and reproductive rhythms.


And here are a few extra important resources:

You can find out more about Dr Carrie Jones and the Dutch test HERE.

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Comments 15

  1. Coffee – now, I’ll be honest. I don’t drink coffee. However, my darling husband is a coffee drinker – two cups of coffee per day, black so he can taste the coffee (and not the milk!). He’s a reluctant partner on my low tox journey for our family – he understands why I’m making changes to so many areas of our lives, but resistant on many others! Organic, fair trade coffee – if I can help him fall in love with a product which is dear to his heart, I’m one step closer to helping people and planet. This could be a beautiful change to his low tox journey.

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  2. I would love a years supply of coffee because after 17 months of pregnancy and breastfeeding where I had zero coffee, I have just started including it in my life. It’s so nice to enjoy a coffee with my partner again and I love having delicious coffee at home to make ourselves rather than buying it from a coffee shop.

  3. I would love to win a year’s supply of coffee to share with my friends and to introduce them to Republica Organic Coffee.

  4. a great episode! Thanks so much.

    Your goodness me beauty box arrived this week and there are so many great goodies in there. Highly recommend it!!

    I would love to win a years supply of Republica Organica Coffee because I have a (super dooper wonderful) 20 month old that has never slept through the night… haha. He’s the greatest… but good coffee is very necessary.

  5. I would love to win a year’s supply of coffee because I am the only person in my home who drinks coffee (although my 15 yo would love me to let him start!) and so it is something that I find it hard to allow myself to splurge on as far as buying organic! I buy more and more of our food organic but still haven’t crossed the line for coffee! I have just ordered my first lot with your fabulous discount though! Thanks for all your amazing work, Alexx!

  6. I stopped having caffeine a few months ago but I have a cup of the Republica Organic decaf every morning and it tastes so good it gets my day going beautifully without feeling deprived. I’d love to win a year’s supply make me happy every morning 🙂

  7. From a budgeting point of view I had a need to move away from pod coffee. This prompted the decision to include coffee in my organic purchases. WOW I was so pleasantly surprised by the yummy taste that regardless of dollars and budgets there is no going back for me! How wonderful to be supporting such a great company with magnificent intent and enjoying my three daily cups. Thankyou Republica.

  8. My journey on my low toxic life has started with me making better choices when I shop every week, with a year supply of Republic Organic coffee I would be doing not only a great thing for my body, but supporting an Australian company! I do love my coffee in the morning and I love grinding my coffee beans (well to be honest my husband makes me coffee every morning) and our coffee machine this week has come to a halt after over 20 years and a service this year. With the repair of our machine or heaven forbid a new coffee machine, the savings on our coffee bean consumption would be greatly appreciated.

  9. My daily decaf cuppa with almond milk and piece of dark chocolate gets me through the day
    Ive heard republic coffee is amazing but I haven’t tried it.
    I’d love to win the years supply so I can taste how good it is for myself x

  10. MY FAVOURITE COFFEE BRAND! We LOVE this brand for all that they do in the sustainability and fair trade movement. They are putting reasonably priced products on the shelves of ‘normal’ supermarkets to help entice people to make a change. The diverse range and amazing taste has seen my family through all coffee drinking phases – decaf for pregnancy, breastfeeding and nights, regular for the everyday, plunger for our weekend coffee and beans for our coffee machine for our make and take to work latte it’s the only brand we have now! Supporting companies doing the best for us is the best way to make a change #votewithyourdollar

  11. Oh I’m so pleased your are doing this offer with Republican. I’ve recently discovered the brand and it is seriously one of the best tasting coffees around. I often turn down coffee out because I now make better tasting coffee at home!

  12. Loved this episode (thanks Alex) and would also love a year of coffee! To reduce waste (and take away coffee cups) we’re making coffee at home and my morning coffee is a little piece of quiet in the morning that i adore (hello hygge!). X

  13. Only a decaf coffee drinker here, but having my daily coffee is my ‘thing’. I try and sit down and take the time to enjoy it and then I feel like I can continue on with my day.

  14. Oh I love my coffee in the morning. Especially slow weekend mornings when I have a coffee with my husband. We have recently switched to Republica and are loving the taste, how its organic and fair trade and the price!

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